Wednesday, September 06, 2006

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Make the Cover of Time Magazine

5 years out, the mainstream media is finally asking what really happened the morning of 9/11 - but only in an indirect way. Time Magazine has done a cover story on the 9/11 Truth Movement. Naturally the magazine's efforts are simplistic and self-serving: "See, we covered this! We're not ignoring this story!" The spin is that 9/11 was such a tragedy that many of us need a bigger conspiracy to make sense of the random nature of life - how much impact a lone gunman can have with JFK, or a small band of terrorists 5 years ago. Never mind that the JFK assassination has not been settled. In fact, a huge piece of the "Case Closed" theory just fell apart this year with the refutal of the bullet fingerprint evidence, so right away Time Magazine is on shaky ground. Time Magazine's story also overlooks the historical reality of stirring up the public with fake events called false flag operations. You may be unfamiliar with that term. If you are, there are some other phrases you should know. In fact, if you don't know them, you have spent insufficient time looking into this situation. Have you heard the terms Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Vigilance, and Northern Guardian? There are a couple of others, but these were all war games being run on the morning of 9/11. One was even mentioned in a footnote of the 9/11 Commission's Report. Not enough has been learned about them, but they've all been referenced in the press. They happened. Vigilant Guardian was a drill that eerily mirrored the actual attacks - so much so that NORAD had no idea if what they were seeing was real of just "part of the drill." Northern Vigilance moved large numbers of fighters to Alaska and Canada for another drill, so they were unavailable over the East Coast that morning. See, the official 9/11 version of the hijackings and subsequent attacks could not have taken place unless our air defenses were basically disabled. It is highly suspicious that on the morning of 9/11, war games were being run, that featured hijacked planes attacking such places as the WTC and the Pentagon. It's a little too close - especially when most signs point to the person running them as one Richard Cheney. This should be out in the open, looked at for all to see. It has not been. It is like the depleted uranium story - too hot for the mainstream news. Perhaps the day is coming when this will change. Back to 9/11: Of course, such a huge hit on New York would be a major blow. Wouldn't the planners be smart to give that city a head start in reacting to it? Once they had accomplished what they wanted with the American Public, wouldn't it be important to handle the crisis on the ground quickly? After all this is our economic center. Yes, that makes sense. You should also look at Tripod 2 - the biowar exercise scheduled for 9-12 in New York City. That one had a temporary command location up and running in case something happened to the emergency center New York would normally use. That one was in Building 7. Pretty damn convenient. But if this is so obvious to anyone who really looks into it, what about the Time reporters? What is their conclusion about the actual theories themselves? The article ends with an interesting two sentences about notions of conspiracies: "They'll be with us as long as we fear lone gunmen, and feel the pain of losses like the one we suffered on Sept. 11, and as long as the past, even the immediate past, is ultimately unknowable. That is to say, forever." The immediate past is "ultimately unknowable"? Wow, you mean we don't know what happened on 9/11? That's quite an admission. Where's the ironclad dismissal? Where's the proof that the government's story is true? Meanwhile, the Bush administrration must have more. Just release everything so this can be cleared up. Our government hasn't done that. In fact, for some reason, President Bush and Dick Cheney fought the investigation with all their might. Maybe they were hoping these fringe theories would just go away. Well, guess what? These fringe theories just made the cover of Time Magazine. Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away -- Sep. 11, 2006 -- Page 1


At 9:06 AM, Blogger TR said...

" In fact, a huge piece of the "Case Closed" theory just fell apart this year with the refutal of the bullet fingerprint evidence, so right away Time Magazine is on shaky ground." Just curious could you provide a link to this?

At 9:06 AM, Blogger TR said...

" In fact, a huge piece of the "Case Closed" theory just fell apart this year with the refutal of the bullet fingerprint evidence, so right away Time Magazine is on shaky ground." Just curious could you provide a link to this?

At 10:24 AM, Blogger Alan Ng said...

until now I still do not buy the reasons given by the bush administration on the 911 disaster. I really doubt that the whole operation was carried out by the Al-Qaedaor or any other muslim terrorist groups, bcos it didn't have any long-term strategic value in doing that.

At 10:38 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Here's one article. I just searched for "bullets fingerprints JFK".

Livermore Scientists Reignite JFK Assassination Debate
LIVERMORE -- It's been the subject of numerous arguments, books and a major Hollywood movie and now scientists at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory have turned up the heat again on just who assassinated President John F. Kennedy.
The researchers say metallurgical chemical "fingerprints" on the bullets that killed the president and wounded then Texas Governor John Connally may have been misinterpreted and that the government's crucial "single gunman theory" has been thrown into doubt.
"It basically shatters what some people call the best physical evidence around," chemist Pat Grant, director of the lab's highly respected Forensic Science Center told the San Jose Mercury News.
Grant and Lab metallurgist Erik Randich found that the chemical "fingerprints" used to identify which bullets the fragments came from were not quite the "smoking gun" as thought pointing to Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone gunman.
The FBI used five bullet fragments recovered from the limousine, Connally's body, the president's brain and from a stretcher for its initial tests using what is known as "neutron activation" analysis.
Those tests proved inconclusive, but later tests by chemist Vincent Guinn -- a renowned specialist in neutron activation -- on the bullet lead pointed directly at Oswald. Guinn said the fragments came from just two bullets -- both of which came from Oswald's Russian-manufactured rifle.
Randich said the Lawrence Livermore tests came to a different result.
"We don't know if there were two bullets," said Randich. "There could have been two bullets, but the lead composition data shows there could be anywhere from one to five bullets."

At 10:42 AM, Anonymous butch said...

If Al Quaeda didn't do it, why did Osama Bin Laden admit to it, and how did we convince Mohamad Atta and the others to help us in our dire plot to take over the world? Must have been some serious waterboarding to get them to cooperate.

At 11:26 AM, Anonymous sully said...

Any of you wonder why Butch spends so much of his time reading and responding to this blog? Reckon he's being paid to?

At 12:27 PM, Anonymous butch said...

sully, its no wonder you believe 9/11 conspiracies.

At 12:31 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

I think the scenario I read is that Al Quaeda did do it, but our government knew it was coming, and we allowed it to happen. Look at how the FBI agents were treated who tried to stop it. The Bush administration said it was a case of not connecting the dots. Maybe they were one of the dots.

At 1:21 PM, Blogger TR said...

I see nothing in that article that would lead one to the conclusion that a huge piece of evidence "fell apart" by the tests done by the Livermore scientists. But it does point out how conspiracy theorists will focus on any tiny little inconsistancy, or in this case inconclusiveness of one test to come to the conclusion that the official explaination is suspect. This same mindset is now giving birth to a new alternative explaination for the 9/11 disaster based again on the same template. In Gerald Posners great book 'Case Closed' about the Kennedy Assasination where he examines the Warren report he has a great quote about the critics of the official record that"... they choke on every gnat in the Warren Report, yet swallow whole elephants served them by conspiracy theories"( I paraphrase).

At 1:31 PM, Anonymous sully said...

Butch, I didn't say I believed these conspiracies. I find much of the evidence downright intriguing, but I'm not going to jump out and say our government planned and executed 9-11.

I'm just wondering why someone would spend so much of his free time reading a blog he's not really fond of. The only way I'd read right-wing blogs and add comments is if someone paid me to do it, but maybe you have more free time than I do. Is that it? You're just bored?

At 1:55 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Here's another article on this: "Skeptics and believers alike say the bullets amount to the most important piece of physical evidence for the single-bullet theory. Throwing it out is like removing a leg from a four-legged table.
Warren Commission defenders consider this evidence central to the single-bullet theory, Aguilar said.
But Grant and Randich say the bullet-lead analysis was faulty. Both are forensic scientists at Livermore Lab, but researched the JFK case on their own time. Their work is the latest chapter in an ongoing saga."

At 2:05 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

tr, Before I get into this, just on the human interest level I actually waited on John Connally and stood behind him. That was living history.
Okay, here goes: One thing we should have learned as a nation from JFK is the importance of settling these things right away. Bring out all the evidence - hide nothing. The Bush administraion fought a good look at 9/11. Now we have 1 out of 3 Americans believing there was some complicity.
Why have many facts been sealed on JFK? At the time the reason was obvious. A lone gunman was a dead end literally, whereas any other theory could have led to a huge international crisis. I get that. But why not have total disclosure now on 9/11? Unless there's something to hide. The bad international stuff that could have sprung from 9/11 happened already.

At 2:12 PM, Anonymous butch said...


Who said this is a blog I'm not fond of? I am in a debating profession, and I don't care to read opinions that only mirror my own. I lean very conservative, but much prefer to listen to Air America than Rush Limbaugh. Its entertaining to listed to a bunch of crack pots pat themselves on the back.

At 4:09 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Butch, we may pat ourselves on the backs a lot, but do you know why Donald Rumsfeld just had shoulder surgery? He strained it trying to pull his head out of his ass.

At 4:36 PM, Anonymous sully said...

You're in a 'debating profession'? I think that's the first time you've been opaque with your words.

Does that mean your a) a lawyer, b) a politician, c) work for a politician, or d) being paid to debate a bunch of lefties via asynchronous comments on a blog site?

I'd guess the latter since none of the previous have time to dick around being entertained by crack pots--liberal or conservative.

At 5:32 PM, Anonymous butch said...

I just say I am not paid to debate on websites. If I was, would I spend this much time to reach....I don't know, help me out Bill.....well, basically, I don't get the impression this is a high traffic site. Anyway, I'm the first to admit I have absolutely zero chance of converting anyone in these parts.

At 5:56 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Butch, I get the feeling you're just doing what I'm doing - airing your views as a way to do your part. The traffic on this site is not huge by any standard - 26,000 hits in 8 months - but that just means anyone who does visit this site is a much bigger part of it. If this were Daily Kos you'd be merely 1/625,000 of the daily viewers. Here you're a much bigger part of the equation.

At 8:34 PM, Anonymous butch said...

Right you are Bill. And I appreciate that you seem to enjoy, or at least tolerate, the give and take of opposing viewpoints. I like the fact that people can disagree vehemently on political issues, but still get along in general. That doesn't mean that vitriol doesn't leak into the equation now and then. I am a conservative living in the heart of Multnomah County. My street had probably 25 Kerry signs to every 1 W'04 bumper sticker (no one would dare have a yard sign around here). But I love my neighbors and my friends who I disagree with politically. My wife was a Kerry voter (damn Mom's Group turned her to the dark side).

At 11:21 PM, Anonymous ellie said...


I haven't done enough research on the 9/11 conspiracy theories to weigh in on any of them. However, I do appreciate this blog keeping them on the forefront. Even if they are eventually dispelled, there is no reason why our government should be allowed to withhold this information. Transparency is essential.

Oh, and I am definitely onboard the JFK assassination conspiracy... have been since I was about seven years old. (Yes, I was/am weird.)


I don't mind Butch's comments at all. I don't usually agree with them -- but I welcome the diversity. Having politically swung from the right to the left and somehow ended up somewhere in the center (not because I am "moderate" really but because my social and fiscal views don't align with either American ideology), I find myself pretty much disagreeing with everyone anymore. But it is nice to be able to still respect the people with whom one disagrees. Civil discourse is rare these days and I welcome the opportunity for a healthy debate. What I abhor is this manic group mentality of collective back-patting, evident on most talk radio shows and at some political websites (which shall remain unnamed) where rabid, ideological amateurs sour the debate by simply regurgitating whatever the trendy political rant du jour is. Puh-lease.

Thank you, Bill, for your site and all of its quirkiness. I hope you accept this as the compliment that it is meant to be -- your blog embodies the "Keep Portland Weird" spirit. (My apologies if you find that offensive.)

P.S. I loved the Rumsfeld joke!

At 11:23 PM, Blogger Rat said...

Sully: Afraid of a differing view? Head to Jack's Blog where everyone mouths the same drivel and any differing views are simply rubbed out. At least the Freelancer tolerates dissent.

At 11:25 PM, Blogger QuidProQuo said...


You sound like a good guy, although I disagree completely with much of what you've blogged. I believe Bill is on the money with his assessments of 9/11 and other issues, and we're going to wake up one or more of these mornings with Oregonian headlines that bear him out. Something's rotten in Denmark, or, more apropos, something's rotten in the USA. My hope is that people of your intellect - and I mean that most positively -will eventually recognize (and condemn)how the Bush administration has damaged our democracy, our freedoms. We're in big trouble. Step back, put the flag aside for a moment, and just look at the evidence. Things are not right. The country's in trouble and the Bush cabal has its hands on the helm. I'm 50+ years old and am incredulous that things have come to the point they have. Hopefully, people of your bent -- and apparent intellect -- will see the light.

At 1:59 AM, Blogger darrelplant said...

Really, Bill, paragraphs would be nice in these posts.

You put far too much faith in the capabilities of our "air defences". The guys who hijacked the planes on 9/11 were able to get away with their plan because it was a surprise. They not only took the air traffic control system, the civilian leadership of the country, and the military by surprise, but they also managed to surprise most of the people on the planes they were flying on.

People on three of the planes assumed it was a hijacking -- or didn't realize until it was too late that it was a suicide plot. The people on United 93 managed to get wind of what was going on with enough time to formulate a plan.

The air traffic controllers not only didn't know any planes were missing right away, but they couldn't find or correctly identify planes once they knew they were missing. They were surprised and confused.

Quite frankly, I think that if George W. Bush had been expecting an incident that morning, he wouldn't have been running around the country like a chicken with its head cut off all day on 9/11. He didn't (and doesn't) know what the hell he was doing. If he'd known what was going on, Karl Rove would have had him back in Washington right away looking all presidential. He wouldn't have been reading "The Pet Goat".

And contra the movies, fighters can't do things like catch up to airliners hundreds of miles away when they don't know where they are. Only a half hour elapsed from the time the first plane was hijacked and the time it hit the WTC. Only about 50 minutes elapsed between the time it was hijacked and the time the second plane hit. Yes, if news about the hijackings had gotten to authorities immediately and if planes had been scrambled immediately and if they'd known for sure that they intended to crash into buildings and if the jets scrambled had been able to find them there might have been a chance that they could have been shot down. But it would have taken something like ten minutes just for the fighters to get to New York City once they were in the air, and when you're talking about that short a timeline, it doesn't leave much room for error.

At 8:50 AM, Anonymous sully said...

Butch, While I'm not currently in a 'debating profession,' I did some of it in college. It's good to hear opposing views--glad to have you around.

At 9:54 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Darel: Good point on the paragraphs or graphs as my editor at the Trib used to call them. I just can't manipulate this text that well. Often an indented line comes in all the way over. Maybe the key is skipping a line but I'll get on that. You should check out Lt. Col Robert Bowman's opinions on the interceptor program for the East Coast of the strongest country in the world. You're too accepting of what you've been told in the mainstream media. You also skip over the war games that were occurring - war games that helped to disable our defenses that morning. You're also thinking too much about President Bush's role in this. I doubt if Karl Rove was in on it, either. He's a spinner more than a neo-con. The signs I see point to Dick Cheney as running the war games. You make a good point about government incompetence. One year after Katrina, we don't need much of a reminder on that. I just think you should look closer at what the procedures are if a plane diverts from its flight plan. Remember the Payne Stewart incident? Too much had to go wrong to let this work.

At 12:48 PM, Anonymous butch said...

Uh oh, Bill and fellow conspiracy theorists. Al Jazeera just released newly found video tape. From the AP:

"CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Jazeera broadcast Thursday what it called a previously unshown video in which al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is seen meeting with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers. The station did not say how it obtained the video, which was produced by As-Sahab, al-Qaida's media branch.

The video showed bin Laden sitting with his former lieutenant Mohammed Atef and Ramzi Binalshibh, another suspected planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings."

Golly, how did Paul Wolfowitz orchestrate that?!

At 2:32 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Butch, this is the way I think it went down: The neo-cons needed a new Pearl Harbor to sell their jaded world view to America. They got word of an attack. They let it happen. They went out of their way to make sure it happened.
Having Osama and the hijackers come out now is suspicious, given the elections. But it doesn't disprove that the US government was complicit in 9/11.

At 8:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read. Read. Read.

3. Osama bin Laden and “Al Qaeda” cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet’s natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance.

Al Qaeda -- the Database
by Pierre-Henri Bunel

November 20, 2005 Wayne Madsen Report and World Affairs, Delhi

"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

At 11:22 PM, Blogger darrelplant said...

Bill, I'm sorry, but I just don't see Cheney as devious enough to pull something like this off. Nothing he's deon since he got into office has been subtle. Right from the beginning of 2001, with stuff like the energy task force, people suspected he was meeting with buddies from the energy industry. Sure, nobody had any proof of it for a while, but people knew what was going on.

These guys have all of the delicate touch of a sledgehammer. That's why I find it difficult to understand Democrats who claim that they think they can work with the administration on anything. Just how stupid do you have to be to not see the plan? The administration just isn't up to the task of hiding a complex conspiracy -- they can't even keep their secret prisons in other countries secret.

Ads for the war games, it makes no difference if the planes couldn't make it to the target points in time. The base closest to NYC that the air traffic control tried to get through to had been closed in 1998 due to budget cuts. Yeah, the fighter cover's pathetic, but it was pathetic already.

As for Bush, I only had one para about him. My point is, if anyone in the administration was supposed to have orchestrated 9/11, they sure did a piss-poor job of capitalizing on it in the first few hours, because nobody in the administration came out looking good there. That's why I think they were trying to prevent the 9/11 commission from investigating, simply to cover their asses.

At 8:38 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

The incompetence angle is very hard to argue against, especially after Katrina. But that was a matter of helping poor people in an emergency. That is not their thing. These guys do their best work on the evil stuff like getting us into Iraq. Cheney and Rumsfeld also have managed to survive at the top of the heap in Washington for 30 years. I wouldn't count out their ability at subtle plotting. Ask any of the officials they've left floating face down in their wake.

At 9:54 AM, Blogger darrelplant said...

Subtlety's far different from ruthlessness. A conspiracy plot takes subtlety in its preparation and its cover-up. If you have no compunctions about how you get and maintain power, and you think you can count on your opponents assuming that you'd never do something as brazen as that, then you can get away with a lot.

The Bush crowd is like a bunch of high school jocks who are used to getting away with anything they want to do because nobody's willing to call them on it.

At 11:25 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

There are thousands of Washington insiders. Many of them are ruthlessly ambitious. Cheney and Rumsfeld didn't always end up on top by luck. There is an art to what they do, and they are damn good at it. Thousands of people have plotted against them, and yet they have survived. Look how they played George Tenet and Colin Powell. These guys are brilliant at using other people to do their bidding and take the heat for it. Cheney came out of the Nixon years incensed by the lost of presidential power. He wanted an executive branch that could do any damn thing it wanted. He needed a war and he needed the American Public to be incredibly upset. 9/11 gave him both.

At 10:29 PM, Anonymous Tenskwatawa said...

If you two are serious in discussion points you make, and not in bait and counter-bait the other, it seems to me true seriousness has answer for each question that's sincere.

First and overall, do you seriously think the ones you name are masterminds, Dubya Cheney Rumsfeld? They are only fops for Mr. Big. And the Biggies.

That would be GHWB. And his Saudi enablers, who have the biggest oil field on the planet, and an unbroken heritage of keeping dynasty in the family.

The casework material behind this statement is Webster Tarpley's book, "The Unauthorized Biography of GHWB."

A main crux moment in the book is 1968-76, when GHWB joins together Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Kissinger as their mentor. (On the personal side, his dumbo Dubya in those years was much his liability, and among many intercessing tales is the one of putting Dubya on ice, figuratively and literally, with exile to Alaska, summer '74, at a CIA outposting along the pipeline project, after Texas Nat'l Guard AWOL problems.)

I mean if you're serious about 'Who dunnit?' there are very few names of truly eligible suspects. And only one, really, in position. Who happens to have shown the m.o. all his life. Ol' Herbert Walker B-grade. Read the book and think about it.

If you think Dumbo Dubya does or knows anything his daddy doesn't tell him ... you can't be serious.

If you think the official 'Legend' cover story, with its nineteen wild-eyed fanatics with box-cutters and "let's roll" phony homily, is any even possible ... you can't be serious.

At 11:38 PM, Anonymous Tenskwatawa said...

I came back tonight because I finally got around to digging up the link to the best casework I've come across on JFK's murder. I thought to bring the link here when the thread talked about being interested in the truth of JFK. By the time I got here with that link, the thread was talking seeming like it seriously wants to understand who's what with Nine Eleven Op.

So I posted the GHWB-nucleus link first, above, and from that book you can see all threads are from his tapestry.

Now here's the link to everything you ever wanted to know about JFK: Who dunnit? The main page is Insider-Magazine(dot)COM.

The story I saw there before must be in their archives now, I didn't check in there. The one I'm thinking of includes a photo of the assassination team and fairly well spells out the tactics and logistics of the hit. You'll find it easily if you dig into Insider-Magazine archives.

These I-M folks are mostly credibly believable, most stuff corroborates and is corroborated back by what is known. Every now and then, though, they show a story, like UFO's or secret superabilities, that puts them out beyond the line that I draw where my knowing better saves me from falling in.

Meanwhile, wherever their JFK story is that I went looking for, in their archives or wherever, they have a new one up that may be better. I didn't spend much time on it, but if you seriously want to know all there is to know, look at what you have to pick and choose in:

Also at the I-M site is a related paper on the interconnections of a Dixie Mafia (in the conventional gangster sense of Mafia, i.e. Sicilian-nucleus) and Havana vice and JFK along the way. Also, some tracks in those stories cross in with GHWB's tracks from the '60s up till now ... and there he is, again, in the midst of plain ol' all American crime, and not in the midst of any group where there is no crime -- like the Peace Corps or something.

The element that I think is important to pick up on in this story, is how much the Mafia had going in Havana in the '50s. (One sub-branch from it goes into the Desi Arnez Lucille Ball arrangements at the time.) When Battista cut-n-run and Fidel filled in the power vacuum, and he nationalized the Mafia's casinos and base of offshore operations properties, that is all there is to know to explain the unrelenting US-foil vendetta going on nigh fifty years to get back into Cuba and casinos and ex-pat impunities. The whole ruse that's it's about getting socialism out of Cuba is all a foil of public relations phony baloney. Cuba isn't worth a single Congressional notice, but when we see the foaming mouthed obsession some have shown at various times in years gone by, then we can know there's something more behind it and that something is the Mafia using US government for Mafia purposes. The person of it always was Gorge mas Canosa, and since he passed on about eight years ago, the psychotic sick-mind vengence of some Cuba libre inanity has lessened quite considerably. Still, Cuba never was America's property or right -- get over it and get on with life. We have our own afflicted poor to save from injust destitution. Do the right thing.

At 12:07 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Dear Tenkswatawa,
I'm proud to say I already had one of your recommended websties bookmarked. How hip is that? But I was devastated when you dissed the UFO subject. The Man has you right where he wants you, doesn't he?

At 6:30 PM, Anonymous Tenskwatawa said...

Guilty. As charged.

I think there are UFO's. Probably around recently, say, within the last century or two.

I don't think anybody's ever 'captured' or recovered one, or made a copy. I don't think some secret group somewhere has some 'advanced technology' that don't nobody know about yet -- simply because science can't be kept back, if you can think of it and it works, somebody else can think of it too.

It's just that, in the big scheme of things, the probabilities and priorities of 'us going there' or 'them coming here' is so infinetismally small, smaller than probabilities for an asteroid or comet coming along, and I don't know how to worry about them so I damn sure can't worry about intelligent life flying in anywhere near close-by anytime soon.

And all the lines that can be punched off that.

In one lecture I heard one time, in Quantum Physics class, on the nature of matter, the prof showed that when 'intelligent life' arises anywhere else in the universe, because it has to be made from the same atoms, (vibrations, particles), it comes out the same size. So aliens are going to be between 1 and 3 meters tall, and similar density as humans and animals on earth. There won't be 50-foot giants, or half-inch creepies. Because the physical substance can't be assembled that way.

We sent a probe 'out' to the future ... and beyond. Seems to me we did what we could. We took our shot. I doubt earthling space probe endeavor gets back to that acme again, for decades, if ever. Now let's get back to work.

At 6:56 AM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Maybe so but if we're talking websites keep an eye on


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