Sunday, July 23, 2006

Thou Shalt Not Kill Unless George Says It's Okay

Here's a couple of pages from the British daily "The Independent" this week. I assume the one picture is from Lebanon, but it could be from Iraq. I was always fascinated by the Fundamentalist Christians in charge of America and their ability to ignore simple Commandments like "Thou Shalt Not Kill". They just seemed too eager to do it - even lying to accomplish what I thought they'd see as sins. Maybe it was the power rush - who knows? Actually, I wasn't that surprised. Religious people always have seemed to me to be able to grant themselves all kinds of exemptions from their own beliefs. Why? Because they were religious and therefore it was okay. The Bible also contains a lot of imagery of a flock, but I don't think it means to follow your authoritarian rulers like sheep, when you know they are killing and it's not in self defense. Israel at least could make that argument when this all started - and they did. But what about us? What about our many fine Christians - some fighting legal battles to display the same 10 Commandments that they decided not to follow in Iraq? This wasn't self defense and you know it. There were no rockets coming down on us from Iraq. We were responding to the possibility of needing to defend ourselves in the future, by killing today. We attacked based on lies and the supporters of the Bush administration were all too willing to turn their backs on their religious beliefs as long as the children who were dying weren't American. If God exists, I doubt he, she, or it makes that distinction. Or to put it in your terms: Repent before you spend the rest of eternity in Hell for what you've done. Gee, it feels fun to say the powerful stuff. Following the Prince of Peace instead of the Cowboy of War is a little tougher for you, isn't it? What about George's famous moral clarity when it comes to Thou Shalt Not Kill? What shepherd did President Bush's flock of sheep follow into Iraq? Go ahead. Quote me the Psalm about Preemptive Strikes.


At 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The left and pacifists in general love to quote the Bible when it fits there argument. And then they piss all over the Bible when it supports an idea they don't. So, Bill, because the Bible says "thou shalt not kill", are you willing to accept every other commandment or Biblical law as ultimate? Thought so.

At 7:53 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Pacifists in general? You mean like Jesus?

I've given the "Blind Hatred of Bush" comments the #47.
#48 will be "I can't argue with you on the post so I'm going to deflect it to another angle."
#49 will be "I thought so" when you assume an answer and proceed. Nothing is as lame as Number #49, with the possible exception of asking a question and then when the answer is not timely enough saying, "I'm still waiting!" which I have used myself.
So my reply to you is #48 and #49.
I will answer your question though: No, I don't accept every other Biblical Law. As far as the Commandments, which set do you use? More importantly, which ones does President Bush follow?
Remember, elections can be stolen, too.
Finally, I object to your phrase "piss all over the Bible". If President Bush is going to talk so much about his religion, is it too much to ask that he follow it?

At 8:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Assigning numbers like "#47" and #56 et al is a convenient way of ignoring the questions that obviously precede those.

You have a lot of fun and freedom lobbing your bombs from this blog, but you have exhibited no courage in answering criticisms.

If you don't want anymore "49's", then simply answer the question or address the charge.

But lets put this on the table now: President Bush has never predicated his reasoning for going to war with Iraq, his 'domestic surveillance', his tax cuts, his environmental policies, or any other major policy decision you disagree with on the Bible. Not one.

"If President Bush is going to talk so much about his religion, is it too much to ask that he follow it?" That's rich.....considering Bush mentions God/Religion/Bible less often than Clinton did during his presidency. More of that selective hatred/memory.

At 9:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, I thought Bush said that God talks to him and tells him what decisions to make.

But anyhow, the larger issue is, if Bush is the good Christian he claims himself to be, it is rather hypocritical of him to support all this killing. The Bible is full of contradictions. I never really understood why Christians continue to read the Old Testament when the New Testament refutes much of what was written there. But I seriously doubt Jesus would condone invading another nation for no good reason, bombing innocent people, etc.

At 9:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush "supports all this killing"? Really? Has he ever said that he supports killing? The Bible aside, the only modern world leaders or prominent figures I can think of that "supported killing" are Saddam, Osama, Zarkawi, et al. Those are the only ones who tried to maximise the death toll to achieve their goals.

At 9:52 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

It's answering the same charges again and again. It's almost like the right wing has a list of....I don't know....talking points on how to question criticism of President Bush. The mystery for me is where you get your puppy love for this guy. How did he earn it from you?
I don't take it personally because they did the same thing with McCain calling him mentally unstable.
I'm not trying to avoid answering the questions as long as it's not the same thing over and over. The Bush hatred thing is bullshit. It is not driving this and never has. I'm responding to what he has done. If he suddenly did things I liked I would not still hate him. That line of questioning is total and complete bullshit. That's why #47 could save some time.

At 9:54 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Oh, and that other comment: Bush was asked if he talked to his father about Iraq. Bush said no, he talked to a higher father meaning God. So don't try and claim this hasn't been driven by his religious beliefs.

At 10:20 PM, Blogger Rat said...

Good to have these left wing folks around to show us peckerwoods and rednecks that the US of A is the cause of most of the world's ills. Sorry to have to tell you'all that we are already involved in WWIII. The war between the West and those hundreds of millions of Jew, Christian, Buddhist and Hindi murderers who follow that worthless, child raping, murdering, thieving SOB Mohammed has already began. One of these days, you might think about the fact that there are hundreds of millions of bearded, wife beating, child maiming, book burning fanatics out there who would like nothing better than to slit your children's throats or, better yet, blow up an elementary school. Get real

At 11:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bill,
Good show tonight. I have done extensive research into what is currently going on in government and it is scary! The more i find out the more i believe our current government should be prosecuted and imprisoned. democrats and republicans. The information you mentioned about choice point is sad but true. choice point even told them there are some descrepancies but they did not care. it got ole george, the decider, into a position to to bring the neocons into power to enact their project for the new american century. most people have no clue about what is really going on and they don't really care. more people voted for an american idol, 63 million, than has ever voted for president. hows that for patriotism? oh' thats right, i have a flag in front of my house. thats enough. these are the same people who will bitch the loudest when the gestapo, sorry, patriot police come knocking on their doors to question them for something they said over the phone. i am not even going to address those who think bush is the best president we have ever had. i will give you a hint, those who support bush are the ones who where affected the most by his tax cuts. the haves and the have mores to quote gb himself. anyway, i would like to buy you and james a beer someday. keep up the fight!

At 11:40 PM, Blogger Bill McDonald said...

Thanks. It was amazing to see how quickly the story of the Mexican elections dropped out of sight. I knew it was going to happen but I still was stunned.

At 11:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh yea, for those of you who love ole george follow this link
middle_east/1559151.stm and explain why the american media said nothing about this. thats right, george had nothing to do with it. he is fighting the terrorists. should'nt he know who the terrorists are before he fights them?

At 12:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, the american media is worthless. just like nazi germany they only tell you what they want you to know. Proof?
This is who controls ALL of the american media.

At 12:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those who love Bush.....Prove it, Join the military!

At 8:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"more people voted for an american idol"? AI allows for each individual to vote as many times as they want. There are also no voter requirements, ie age, legal status, or even that you are an American.

At 7:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your premise is so full of bogus assumptions precedent that it is impossible to rehabilitate it sufficiently to offer a coherent response. I will say however that if you were being honestly sincere and earnest when you posted this, I'd suggest that your penchant for gratuitously bashing Christians might be a place for you to start reeling yourself back in. Unless all that was just feel-good look-good window dressing pap.

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